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EGM to amend the constitution (Mon 27 Feb)
eoinor:
--- Quote from: "Diarmaid" ---in the event of an accident, as is my understanding of it, drivers who have negotiated payment of petrol money with their passengers are technically charging the passengers for transport and there's complications there... they're operating as an unlicensed taxi or they're liable for their passengers' safety or something.
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As long as you don't make a profit i.e. total money received does not add up to more than the cost of petrol, ware and tare etc its ok.
Mr C:
--- Quote from: "Meabh" ---i agree with donnie that that paragraph re. code of good practice is too restrictive, club trips are run in accordance with the code, thats the whole pt. of having it, don't think there should be procedure's like that set in stone, they're more things that committee's decide
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Meabh, I'm not sure you understood my point. I am saying that it should be written into the constitution that:
1. The Code of Practice be adopted for all club trips
2. The CoP can only be changed by a suitable committee of people.
--- Quote from: "Donnie" ---This kind of thing should not be in the constitution as it is inflexible and could lead to issues of liability in the event of an accident.
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Thanks for your more knowedgeable reply Donnie. I don't see how my suggestion renders people more liable than they currently stand - can you explain this? Is it the committee that draughts it that are more liable? If so, then the author of the CoP is liable as it stands? Regarding the "inflexibility" - the CoP can be changed outside an EGM, but surely it should only be changed by appropriate people - I'm suggesting that the constitution defines these types of people. If it's not a viable change then that's cool (obviously), I just want to understand more about it.
I know these are poxy issues and maybe need to be sorted out by those who know the law, insurance and the ICU, away from a public forum. I don't think we should avoid it just because it is poxy though. It does need to be sorted.
Claire/Maria/Asho/Kmck -
You guys have obviously hit on something that needs to be sorted. Maybe it needs a post of its own so that the issues of constution and trip payments are not mixed up in people's minds. As the proposal stands, the constitution is quite clear on payments: the committee decide!
Mr C:
--- Quote from: "meabh" ---Keep the advice coming, it can be quite difficult to see the flaws when your working on something so the outside input really helps!
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Totally understand - I've been there a bunch of times. I hope you don't mind the discussion etc, it really is meant in a constructive way. As I said it obviously took a lot of work to get it where it is - well done! See, the problem you guys face is that you have so many people who are mad keen on the club!!
TomB:
the issue of petrol money is not something for the constituition . . . . its a ruling thats available for change at the discretion of the committee from year to year. clarification will soon follow . . . . . .
would people be aware that that this proposed change is a massive improvement an the old, and that the overall change is a very positive one. people can get carried away and keep the thread very negative sounding!
. . . . . people may feel that improvements are required, which can be agreed or disagreed with and the issues will be debated, this is whats going to happen at the egm. in order to facitilate good debate on the night people can put up there views on this thread to help all sides see there agruements.
also could people post what phrasing etc should be included instead of the 'there-should-be-this-approach', so for example colin could post what he believes should be the phasing of point 4.10 instead of just explaining his views.
Mr C:
--- Quote from: "TomB" ---also could people post what phrasing etc should be included instead of the 'there-should-be-this-approach', so for example colin could post what he believes should be the phasing of point 4.10 instead of just explaining his views.
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You mean do your work for you? :D Anyway, I thought I did alright!! :-
--- Quote from: "Mr. C" ---- Section 4.10: I think that this section needs to be changed and expanded. It should state that all club canoeing events are required to be run in accordance with the Code of Practice. This then requires adoption of the Code of Practice for future years. Further, changes to the Code of Practice should be made by a nominated committee of (say) 5 people of at least 1 Level 4 and 2 Level 3 instructors; the remaining members are at the descretion of the committee. Something along those lines anyway.
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Until the principle is agreed there's not much point spending ages on the wording.
About the EGM - I agree that it is the evening for debate, but voting on it straight afterwards may not be easy until people have the final proposal before them. How is that going to work in the course of one (no doubt drunken) evening? Is it a thing that the debate could be held here and then a revised proposed constitution tabled at the EGM?? Is there enough time??
--- Quote from: "TomB" ---people can get carried away and keep the thread very negative sounding!
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Get the hell outta here!! Myself at least has tried to make it very clear that this is not negative, but constructive, and that there is nothing but thanks for the tough job you are doing on behalf of the whole club!
--- Quote from: "Mr. C" ---I hope you don't mind the discussion etc, it really is meant in a constructive way. As I said it obviously took a lot of work to get it where it is - well done!
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