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AENGUS!:
Ha yeah cool, seems like it'sd be too big for me alright!! Thanks!:)

Adrian:

--- Quote from: Monkey Loving Bob on January 21, 2009, 16:13:29 ---, as to the river runner comment - it's a playboat, period.

--- End quote ---

Mr Monkey Loving Bob,

Firstly I would like to point out I said river play not River runner and secondly I will have to disagree with you here, for some one looking to do freestyle / run the Boyne / Liffey and some of the easier runs in Wicklow it is more than fine. The boat is designed as an out and out freestyle kayak but is capable of more than this.

Regards,

Adrian


Rodger Thomas from UCD CC has this boat on demo and has first refusal.

Monkey Loving Bob:
Monkey Loving Bob = Conor Croke

my point Adrian is that we have large number of people who are still gaining experience in the sport and are not familiar with the benefits of different designs and can be attracted to something that may not be at all suitable, on the back of that it's worth being absolutely clear. Also the above mentioned runs are play runs not river runs, simple as. Easier runs in Wicklow I don't see the point in bringing a playboat, no benefit gained - experience in a boat suitable to use in harder conditions lost, lack of familiarity with the boat you paddle the day you step it up a notch has led to more than one swim (I know I've suffered/been guilty of this). Really man, if it's a playboat sell it as a playboat, You can run those type of rivers in a squirt boat if you want but unfortunately it really doesn't gain you anything except BS rights buddy.

Rog might find this boat suitable, I'll leave that up to him.

Dave B:
I've paddled one of these a good few times, but in my size.. it's a really good playboat, and good for river play.... at the end of the day you can paddle any river in what ever boat your most comfortable with ( i did all my river running in playboats for a long time) you just have to take safety into account, as long as you can rescue your buddy's in said boat ...
                          kylie, I disagree, there's huge benefit gained in paddling smaller boats down the easier!! runs in wicklow, paddling your normal big boat will just make things easier, you don't have to work as hard, your paddling becomes lazy and sloppy- fact, in a smaller boat your balance and egde control will  improve far quicker and be far better for you in the long run, as for experience and lack of familiarity in the bigger boat, well just get out in it once in a while but to be honest i think that's just a head thing, i used to spend my whole time in ireland paddling a playboat and then jump straight into a creek boat in france.. just about having the conifidence
                         I've spoken to a lot of top paddlers who said they've seen the average standard of paddling in Ireland drop  in the last few years- due to everyone paddling their big creek boats down every drop of water they paddle, and i've seen it myself.....
             waffling now, aengus, it's way too big for regardless of whatever paddling your doing, Roger- check it out see what you think- most important thing is probably comfort ( so many boats out there do all the smae things)
                         

Monkey Loving Bob:
Dave we've had this rant once too often between you and I. We'll have it again, but over pints - say O'Neill's Saturday after you and I both paddle our 'big boats' down some drop of water?

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