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Looking for a boat! Anyone selling?
Rachel:
--- Quote from: Nuala on February 01, 2010, 17:23:12 ---Don't make your first boat a creeker just to go to the Alps
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Ye.. I think that's kinda what I was doing so thanks! :(
I think I just really want a boat and would love to go to the Alps so was rushing the idea for that. It's like how I wanted to buy a car cause I wanted to drive to Kerry ??? I should probably slow my ideas down! Not even sure if I can go to the Alps so maybe I'll make that decision first. Probably shouldn't have posted this up, just got very excited the other day when Robyn was here, we were boat browsing online. ;D
Back in my dream world though--> so want a Jacksons Little Hero, Shirley, it's us sized!! :laugh:
kmck:
No problem in being excitied, anyone who has seen how I shop learns what impulse shopping really is. I've noticed from instructing especially at the ICU that people tend to buy creekers cause that's what the instructor paddled. There is also an option to rent boats in the alps also to go rafting and other things as well.
Daniel:
I agree with Nuala, stay away from Creekers espeically if you want to develop your skills further in Ireland. No river here needs a creeker as you can nearly get away with using a playboat on most.
River runner with nice rails is what i would suggest (Burn, H3, etc). It will help you progress your skills better as you will have to paddle correctly and also develop better edge control.
You can bounce down a river with a creeker here. i have one and i can basically go sidewards all the way down. Not saying you dont have to paddle properly with a creeker just saying you can get away with not and can become lazy :)
Monkey Loving Bob:
Interesting anti creeker sentiment on here, can I ask why people feel that your progression will be slower as a result of picking one boat style over another? Keeping in mind I would refer to a 'creeker' as any boat with resonable volume and a 'playboat' as short and slicy (or morbidly obese with flat bits as they now appear to be made)
I can argue both sides of the argument reasonably well. My opinion however would be that each one will allow you to develop certain skills more readily than the other, but a boat never by itself taught anyone a thing. If anything I would contend that the core skills are attained quicker as a result of using boats with more volume and length. Are people using the 'learn it by messing it up time and time again' approach in their personal paddling or a 'perfect practice makes perfect' approach?
Both have their place, but I know which one I would ideally choose...
Daniel:
Im not anti creeker i just dont think its Necessary in irish water conditions.
You can get creekers and river runners with pretty much the same volume. think the differnce is in the shape and the rails.
Like creekers tend to have rails not quite as sharp, example
http://cksblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jackson_kayak_rocker_hull1.jpg
River runner with bit less volume like a burn, example
http://www.kayakshed.com/client/images/full/Pyranha_Burn_Medium_jaffred_hull.jpg
Like i own the karnali and its pretty much a creeker and i find i have to work quite hard to catch eddies and get it to go where i want it because it slides so easily and is quite fast
Im just saying that in irish water, there is no need to go for a big volume boat as water isnt high volume here so getting a boat that you can control a bit more easily and responds quicker would be better to learn with.
I prefer the perfect practice approach, i dont wanna be swimming all the time :)
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