UCD Canoe Club

General => Resources => Topic started by: Aoife S on December 04, 2015, 09:59:22

Title: Update on club matters
Post by: Aoife S on December 04, 2015, 09:59:22
This year the club was chosen to represent our constituency on the Athletic Union Council.  Our constituency is made up of Surf, Windsurf, Sub-Aqua, Snow and ourselves.  From the committee i was nominated to take the position on the committee.

We had our first meeting last night, the main port of call was to approve the grants being handed out.  All clubs received similar to last year, based on whether they closed their accounts around the same figure.  As a ball park image in regards to why we don't get all costs covered, in total all UCD clubs have a yearly expenditure of €1.8m.  The Clubs only get €664k off UCD.  It is hoped that there will be an avenue to get the €664 increased at some point due to restructuring higher up in UCD but this is what they AUC have for the moment. 

Canoe has received a grant of €4,000 with a special grant of €800 for equipment.  This special grant only covers a tenth of what we realistically need but gives us an allowance for some new buoyancy aids which are in need of replacing.  Hopefully I can have these ordered in before semester 2.

There is only €9000 in the kitty for special grant allocations this year (compared to €23,000 last year).  This is due to an increased expenditure last year for University games.  We are welcome to apply for a special grant but I can't see us receiving one as they prioritized us for an automatic allocation. 
We will be however applying for a Forum Capital grant. This grant is only available for large capital investments. This will require some form of fundraising on our behalf, as they like to see clubs making an effort to fund equipment when they give the grants.  This will probably take the form of Project Freestyle from a few years back, but with the aim of replacing boats and paddles.  I was told specifically to have the club apply for this.

There will be an additional €9,000 put aside for Coach training courses within the clubs.  As far as they have it planned, this will entail individuals approaching the sports office with a request.  It hasn't opened yet, but I hope it will be a good resource for people hoping to do their instructor training. 

That is the end of what came from the actual meeting.
Afterwards I spoke to Suzanne about a few things:

The tap (at the end of the sheds)
Essentially this almost deserves a movie by now.  The fixed the tap, realised there was a massive leak, fixed the leak and then decided that they didn't want to have a fresh water tap with public access.  Suzanne fought our battle, refused to have it relocated inside a shed (for obvious reasons) and so HOPEFULLY it was turned on yesterday.  I will check it later this evening to see if it was fixed. 

UCD Vehicles
There is no way we can get an exception to the under 25 rule, however as a club using it the driver doesn't have to be staff.  Anyone over 25 is permitted to apply to Suzanne for acceptance to the training course.
As the vehicles are a 'privilege' to the clubs, they are picky with who they allow drive them.  If a club even scrapes a van, all clubs loose the use of them. 
If anyone over 25 wants to apply, let me know and we can bring it to Suzanne.

News reporting:
So another way of getting increased funding for sports clubs is to show UCD we do shit.  Essentially, unlike every other university, UCD see's sports clubs as that annoying little sister that they don't want to be seen in public.  So the new action plan is to bombard newsdesk@ucd.ie with good news stories! These can be competition wins, helping with LD, competitions being organised, the dodder clean up, big training weekends, passing levels etc.  Basically if you helped a granny cross the road we want it emailed to the newsdesk@ucd.ie to smush it in their faces that the clubs are amazing! If you have a story, send it to us, we'll email it over from the club address and send it to the sports facebook page too! :)


If anyone has any questions let me know!
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Peter O'Sullivan on December 04, 2015, 18:38:32
UCD Vehicles
There is no way we can get an exception to the under 25 rule, however as a club using it the driver doesn't have to be staff.  Anyone over 25 is permitted to apply to Suzanne for acceptance to the training course.
As the vehicles are a 'privilege' to the clubs, they are picky with who they allow drive them.  If a club even scrapes a van, all clubs loose the use of them. 
If anyone over 25 wants to apply, let me know and we can bring it to Suzanne.

If anyone has any questions let me know!

Does this mean Zog, Eoghan O'R, and I could sign up to drive the van? Where is the form to fill out? By using the van next semester and only getting the bus one or twice we would save a fortune.
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Poohy on December 04, 2015, 19:54:31
UCD Vehicles
There is no way we can get an exception to the under 25 rule, however as a club using it the driver doesn't have to be staff.  Anyone over 25 is permitted to apply to Suzanne for acceptance to the training course.
As the vehicles are a 'privilege' to the clubs, they are picky with who they allow drive them.  If a club even scrapes a van, all clubs loose the use of them. 
If anyone over 25 wants to apply, let me know and we can bring it to Suzanne.

If anyone has any questions let me know!

Does this mean Zog, Eoghan O'R, and I could sign up to drive the van? Where is the form to fill out? By using the van next semester and only getting the bus one or twice we would save a fortune.

You need to contact a committee member and we will go to Suzanne for ye ... or else to up to the sports office yerselves and she needs to approve you to get permission to do a driving test.. But yeah! Please do! the more we have available to drive the Van the better :D
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Vettie on December 04, 2015, 20:04:04
UCD Vehicles
There is no way we can get an exception to the under 25 rule, however as a club using it the driver doesn't have to be staff.  Anyone over 25 is permitted to apply to Suzanne for acceptance to the training course.
As the vehicles are a 'privilege' to the clubs, they are picky with who they allow drive them.  If a club even scrapes a van, all clubs loose the use of them. 
If anyone over 25 wants to apply, let me know and we can bring it to Suzanne.

If anyone has any questions let me know!

Does this mean Zog, Eoghan O'R, and I could sign up to drive the van? Where is the form to fill out? By using the van next semester and only getting the bus one or twice we would save a fortune.

Roof rack trip would most likely still be cheaper, btu the van would be a good inbetween the €10 per car to 250/€300 for a bus!
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: kmck on December 04, 2015, 20:44:54
I've done that test already. In fact I did it twice, the guy who was supposed to give me lessons thought it was the test and then John Frey brought me out for the test when we realised he hadn't signed off on me.
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Douchier on December 04, 2015, 21:41:13
Don't they have a bus too?
Are they saying they'll put people through getting a bus and trailer license or just a trailer one?

Also,  this is amazing. I'm really impressed with them taking the step of opening up their use. And really, REALLY impressed with whoever convinced them to do it.
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Scabidas on December 04, 2015, 22:25:12
Are they saying they'll put people through getting a bus and trailer license or just a trailer one?

Afaik, neither. Its their own test that has to be passed so they trust you to drive their cars/vans.
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Douchier on December 04, 2015, 22:42:46
Oh ok, would a trailer license not be required also? Or is the van & trailer not heavy enough to need one?
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Scabidas on December 04, 2015, 23:15:10
Oh ok, would a trailer license not be required also? Or is the van & trailer not heavy enough to need one?

They put the boats in the van.
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Douchier on December 05, 2015, 08:12:46
INSIDE the van. I seeeee. Very good.
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Aoife S on December 05, 2015, 10:14:56
INSIDE the van. I seeeee. Very good.

Yeah the van had roof racks too, so can take a solid 12 creekers :) great for when we're traveling and not everyone has racks :)
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Andru93 on December 05, 2015, 16:08:33
Trailer License (Category BE) is about 270€ for (Lesson (50€), Hire of Vehicle (150€) and Provisional & Test (35€ each).

If you are using a van you will need it due to the total load (Van + Trailer) exceeding 3,500kg limit, which is all a category B license allows you to do.

With the trailer license you can pull a total load between 3,500kg and 7,000kg.

Info here: http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%208.pdf

Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Douchier on December 05, 2015, 16:15:45

If you are using a van you will need it due to the total load (Van + Trailer) exceeding 3,500kg limit
I was thinking about thus after I posted above, a smallish van and a full trailer would probably be just under the limit
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Aoife S on December 05, 2015, 16:35:05
UCD vans don't have a tow hitch either way 😜
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Peter O'Sullivan on December 08, 2015, 07:58:26
Anyone around college able to pick me up a form for driving the van?
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Scabidas on December 08, 2015, 11:03:39
UCD vans don't have a tow hitch either way 😜

But the jeep does i think ?
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Peter O'Sullivan on December 14, 2015, 19:41:49
I phoned Margaret Dempsey today. She's out until Wednesday. Hope to get the forms froms her on Wednesday. Going to try get Bill and myself on the list of van drivers. Who else is over 25 and wants to drive? 


For future reference you can contact Margaret at the Cental Transport Pool on 01-7167525 or
central.transport@ucd.ie
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: kmck on December 14, 2015, 23:55:21
Hi

The Club trip organiser/leader was discussed at the tdu today. We have a draft proposal which we are working on, currently it is 2 day training with loggin hours and an assessment focused soley on running trips on a voluntary basis.

Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Aoife S on December 15, 2015, 11:06:24
Sounds good Kieran! Thanks :)
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Zog on December 15, 2015, 11:47:40
Unreal, this is great news!
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Poopy Dick on December 15, 2015, 13:13:13
Yup, great news indeed. Any idea of how long away this will be up and running..... A year? Summer? Sooner/later?
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Poohy on December 15, 2015, 15:08:10
Brilliant Kieran! Thanks a million!
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Peter O'Sullivan on December 15, 2015, 20:25:18
The form for driving the college van is on google drive

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz2XcJ_-5TFISGYzVmRBVUlnR3c/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz2XcJ_-5TFISGYzVmRBVUlnR3c/view?usp=sharing)
I hope the link works.
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Poohy on December 16, 2015, 12:49:53
Yup, works for me anyways peter :)
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: DervM on December 17, 2015, 23:38:42
Kieran, what kind of logging timeline are we talking about here? 10 hours or more?
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: kmck on December 18, 2015, 08:04:29
The current suggestion is 25 hours with either an instructor or a qualified (whatever the hell we will call this person) I'm going to argue that they need to do x number of trips showing they can organise them, set up rescue and guide a group of people
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Ross on December 18, 2015, 08:56:57
How different is it to the Level 2 so? Is there any skills in that that aren't in the Level 2? I'd imagine moving water rescue and stuff, but would it be enough to say, have a Level 4 Skills and a Level 2 instructor?

I have put no thought into this by the way
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: DervM on December 18, 2015, 14:01:01
I really like the idea. But I do not know how that would help the club out when it's a very similar timeline to instructorship (given that we have about 8 people active in the club who did instructor courses and haven't continued with it much).
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Ross on December 18, 2015, 15:50:34
I don't like instructing, but I have no problem leading a trip, so people like me might be able to slot in there?
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: Poopy Dick on December 18, 2015, 17:25:58
And for instructing it's level 2 then three.

Is this river trip leader going to have access to lead a group on g3 water straight after away or will there be a respective level for g2 water you'll have to do first
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: kmck on December 18, 2015, 18:24:47
The first group to approach us was sea kayakers, when we circulated it we got a response from providers for a guiding award to an add on to the instructorship.

In sea kayaking there is a gap in instructor numbers and skills. They want to bring people out but have buggered up their system really the level 3 is the work horse award on rivers but the level 4 is needed in the sea due to changeable environment.

Technically a level 2 river instructor could bring a group in slack water on a journey no more than 50m from the coast.

At the moment what we have proposed is at grade 2 water conditions, grade 3 is peer to peer so if you have a level 4 paddler in a group technically you are okay in that scenario. You wouldn't be brining that many beginners on grade 3 anyway
Title: Re: Update on club matters
Post by: DervM on December 18, 2015, 19:43:15
I understand it completely from the sea kayakers' perspective. Sounds like a brilliant thing for them. For WW it seems like it could become a roadblock almost...