UCD Canoe Club

General => Foreign Trips => Topic started by: Poopy Dick on January 27, 2016, 18:35:29

Title: Alps?
Post by: Poopy Dick on January 27, 2016, 18:35:29
So frankly, in dying to do this. No one seems to have put in too much thought up to now so may as well get the ball rolling
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Poopy Dick on January 27, 2016, 18:37:42
Also, if no one is up for this I saw just there that Colin Wong is running trips to Uganda from mid October to early November.  To be honest I'd be down for anything 😜
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: DervM on January 27, 2016, 19:00:59
Maybe! I'd kind of like to go with UL, but if not then would be free from June 5th. The Uganda thing would be sick also. Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Zog on January 27, 2016, 19:08:31
Not Currently looking like I'll have the time to be heading off this summer, if I do go it'd be for seven days max, preferably to france.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Poohy on January 27, 2016, 19:16:34
Id love to, but hopefully will be in America from the first or second week in June... Could possibly do a few days in may depending on exams but looks unlikely :( Always next year for me i suppose!
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Zog on January 27, 2016, 19:34:22
Exams are scheduled to run till the 22nd I think, quite late this year by UCD standards.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Ross on January 27, 2016, 19:47:30
I saw that Uganda thing, I'd definitely be up for going out to that. I'm hesitant to say yes to the Alps as I'm not sure if I'll have thesis related stuff at the time or not, as well as wanting to go to a festival on the 10th-12th of June.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: DervM on January 27, 2016, 20:27:16
I saw that Uganda thing, I'd definitely be up for going out to that. I'm hesitant to say yes to the Alps as I'm not sure if I'll have thesis related stuff at the time or not, as well as wanting to go to a festival on the 10th-12th of June.

And Euros Ross  :P
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Poopy Dick on January 27, 2016, 23:56:24
So including me, is that three possibly interested in Uganda
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: DervM on January 27, 2016, 23:58:34
Ooooh I'm a serious maybe on that. Dunno what I'm doing with my life and all that!
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Poopy Dick on January 28, 2016, 00:00:00
For anyone who didn't see, it is kayaking trips in Uganda with Colin Wong. The dates are 10-24th of October and 24th-7th November
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Zog on January 28, 2016, 09:56:58
Interested but far too far in advance for commitments etc.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Poopy Dick on January 29, 2016, 10:11:41
Interested but far too far in advance for commitments etc.
Cool ye, just like to hear that there are others interested 😊
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Diarmuid on February 09, 2016, 12:36:13
eg: May 24 to June 8

Flying:
156e Round Trip with Ryanair + whatever the baggage costs (I think 50e?)
https://www.google.ie/flights/#search;f=DUB;t=LJU,TSF,VCE;d=2016-05-24;r=2016-06-08

Car rental:
Ford Focus Estate for 22y/o basic price: 505e + Damage Refund Insurance 100e + Fuel Admin Fee
arguscarhire.com

So roughly 300e per person before food, fuel, camping, etc
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Ross on February 09, 2016, 16:34:27
Flying:
156e Round Trip with Ryanair + whatever the baggage costs (I think 50e?)
https://www.google.ie/flights/#search;f=DUB;t=LJU,TSF,VCE;d=2016-05-24;r=2016-06-08

It's €25 for a bag each way, and €50 for a kayak each way, plus the €50 each way for all the paddles, we put 8 together last year.

Roof racks cost money as well, could have been €80 each, might be cheaper to fly the ones we got last year if we were certain of getting a Focus estate, sometimes they don't guarantee that, just give that as an example of the type of car.

Car rental:
Ford Focus Estate for 22y/o basic price: 505e + Damage Refund Insurance 100e + Fuel Admin Fee
arguscarhire.com

We used http://www.carhireexcess.ie/ last year which was much cheaper than the insurance you've quoted there, I think they paid out for Benny last year actually, think it's tied to AIG or someone, so that might only be €40 I think.

So overall its over €400, but that's the majority of the cost really, food can be done cheaply.

Italy camping is here: http://www.ilgattoelavolpe.it/
€9 per night camping, so €159 for 15 nights, but the owner is usually good on giving discounts!

Fuel wasn't too bad last year I think, the Focus didn't guzzle too much despite the mountain roads.

Overall, flying and renting is more expensive, but you don't wear out someones car, and you save yourself maybe 2 or 3 days travelling, depending on how you make the journey.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Ross on February 09, 2016, 16:39:02
A thing to think about is the destinations, Slovenia would be good for a warm up, depending on the skill level of the group, and then Italy would push the group regardless of skill level.

France apparently can be good for all levels, and UL are going out there this year for their whole trip, changing it up from Italy/Slovenia/Italy which they've done in previous years, but I'm not sure if the levels will be there in May.

I've never been to Slovenia, I know Italy quite well, and I've only really done one river in France, but that was a bit of a blur of a clusterfuck :P
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Douchier on February 09, 2016, 19:52:29
Slovenia seems to be runnable all the time, unless you get a freak amount of rain and things get too high.
Paddling is nice; prefect to start but if you've a strong group they'll get bored.
It's also an exceptionally nice place.

France has plenty of good stuff. Quite varied.  And there's always a British university group that's just had a cluster-fuck.

Getting the ferry and driving is great craic if you've got the time/car.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Diarmuid on February 10, 2016, 11:31:49
Also to drive a car rented in Venice in Slovenia costs "From 8 days onwards: 80€ per vehicle".

Ross mentioned flying to venice then back from milan to me earlier in the week so I've just priced that up too:

565e to Rent Focus Estate in TSF and return to LIN + cross border travel 80e + carhireexcess.ie 50e = 700 / 4 = 175

Flight to TSF with Ryanair: 80e + baggage (90e) = 170e
Flight from LIN with Aer Lingus: 61e + baggage (90e) = 151e

is 496e per person, pretty much the same price as flying in and out from TSF

(LIN = Milan, TSF = Treviso Airport)
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Ross on February 10, 2016, 11:33:23
Milan Bergamo with Ryanair is probably cheaper?
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Diarmuid on February 10, 2016, 11:38:31
Milan Bergamo with Ryanair is probably cheaper?

Okay, just pricing this now :)
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Diarmuid on February 10, 2016, 11:44:12
Dub - BGY 23 May - 7 June

Return Flights with Ryanair: 86e + baggage (180e) = 260e
Car rental: Fiat Doblo Minivan (has roof rails and allows cross border travel) = 633e + car hire excess 50e = 683e / 4 = 170e

Totals at: 430e per person
Also the rails would mean it should be very cheap to get racks (provided we'd actually get the right car)

(BGY = Milan Bergamo)
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Diarmuid on February 11, 2016, 17:12:50
Okay so I looked up prices for getting boats and gear shipped over...
We could pretty much put whatever we wanted in there (bags and stuff) since the volume of the boats cancels out the weight.
Expensive though.

Origin: Dublin City Limits, Destination: Venice, Italy

1/ Service Type: Air-Freight 378 Kilos / Airport to Airport.
Air Freight Cost € 1,188.60
Collection (if required) ex Dublin, € 45.00
Transit Time 1 Day

2/ Service Type: Courier 378 Kilos / Door to Door.
Courier Service € 538.00
Transit Time 5-6 Days

All costs subject to VAT @ 23%

This quotation is valid for 30 days.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Ross on February 11, 2016, 18:51:05
That seems like a lot of effort for little gain versus bringing them on the plane...
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Diarmuid on February 11, 2016, 21:34:30
That seems like a lot of effort for little gain versus bringing them on the plane...

Yeah not really worth it, I was mostly just curious about it  :)
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: DervM on February 11, 2016, 22:56:00
Ok lads, calm down, can't plan the Alps till like late March  :P
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Diarmuid on February 11, 2016, 23:43:39
Ok lads, calm down, can't plan the Alps till like late March  :P

But it's so much more fun than work
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Zog on February 29, 2016, 19:09:56
lets take the club van to the alps..
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Poopy Dick on February 29, 2016, 19:39:49
lets take the club van to the alps..
Actually... 😁 I'd say onto something there
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Aoife S on February 29, 2016, 19:56:36
Sounds great but as far as I know it's only work if the Alps was Irish 😜
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Poohy on February 29, 2016, 22:18:43
We asked I think and you cant take them out of the country cause they are not sports vans, they are college vans
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: DervM on February 29, 2016, 22:45:44
Also - UCD sport won't cover us insurance wise for foreign trips at all, so I don't think anyone UCD related would cover the vehicles.


On the Alps - I would hope to have a car and drive out for 10/11 days. Slovenia or France would be the plan, for a first-time Alps trip for some. However, no idea yet, and exam timetables don't come out for another month, so won't know for a while.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: kmck on February 29, 2016, 22:52:56
Buy a van some are available for around €2000 if you've eight people that's €250 a person then insurance tax etc. but you can then sell it after the trip
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Zog on February 29, 2016, 23:12:31
I'd be down for that derv, france preferably pour moi.... 8)
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: DervM on March 01, 2016, 02:14:11
Buy a van some are available for around €2000 if you've eight people that's €250 a person then insurance tax etc. but you can then sell it after the trip

Probably planning on heading to Austria after myself and have a car in mind. But thanks! If anyone else wants to jump on that.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Diarmuid on March 31, 2016, 15:44:00
Now that the exam timetable is out, when can people go?

I've only one exam and it's on the second last day of exams, Friday 20th (Motherfuckers :/ ) so I could go any time after that.

I could also go before that from 29 April for two weeks.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Ross on March 31, 2016, 15:51:22
I'm in until the 20th too
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: Poohy on March 31, 2016, 18:10:52
I am untill 7pm the 20th as well :P

I can go to the Alps from the 21st of may until the latest probably the 4th of June.
Title: Re: Alps?
Post by: DervM on April 01, 2016, 12:48:51
I finish on the 19th at 11:00. Plan on setting off that night or on the 20th, preferably. Ideally will be returning to Ireland from the 1st of June until the 3rd or 4th and then staying in France until I feel like heading to Austria (possibly around the 8th).