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Committee Announcements => Announcements => Topic started by: rog on January 28, 2009, 14:59:55

Title: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on January 28, 2009, 14:59:55
Hey Guys,
    I'm thinking of organising a 2 day paddling course aimed at those paddlers in the club who have achieved their Level 4 ICU proficiency, have since been paddling a while, and as a result, are paddling at a level a certain amount higher then that which is demonstrated for the Level 4 assessment.
 
Depending on interest and numbers this could simply take the form of ICU Level 5 training, or if people would rather go for something slightly, shall we say less intense, I could organise something like an advanced White-Water skills/safety weekend, on, at the very least Annamoe at a very high level, or the Dargle or something around that kind of level. It would be run by, availability wise, kipper, Dave Carroll, etc.

So if people could post up, or pm me their interest, and their interest in what kind of training, then when/if I get a good idea of numbers i'll look into organising an instructor and a weekend.

It'll be difficult to get appropriate water levels and a suitable instructor for the same weekend so, before I even start looking into instructors I need interest and numbers.

Cheers guys, Roger.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Sara on January 28, 2009, 15:03:22
Wow roger this sounds pretty damn super! While I dont think i'd be quite up to level 5 standard i'd love to either do the training course or an advanced White-Water skills/safety weekend. This is a class Idea and I really hope it gets off the ground so if you need any help organisation wise do let me know.

Sara
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: JODY on January 28, 2009, 15:12:24
Wow i was only joking when i asked about level 5 skills a while back... but i'm always up for (& in need of) a bit of training.

You can count me in if this goes ahead & is not waaaaaaaaaay beyond my capabilities   :) 
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Matt on January 28, 2009, 15:22:04
I'd definitely be interested in this, I just have to do the level 4 assessment.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: fityounggranny on January 28, 2009, 16:31:58
I might be completely wrong on this but i thought level 5 proficiency assesments are usually carried out in the French Alps.
Partly due to guarenteed water, but also because the rivers are harder.

A level 5 proficiency has to be done on a level 4 river. which the Annamoe, even in huge water, is not, maybe jacksons, but that is only 1 rapid!

Having said all that im still waiting on the level 4, so hmmmph!
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Mark on January 28, 2009, 16:58:44
Clarkey it's training rather than an assessment. Level 5 Assessments are carried out in Ireland also.

Anywho, I would be be really interested in doing such a course Roger.


Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on January 28, 2009, 17:24:11
I might be completely wrong on this but i thought level 5 proficiency assesments are usually carried out in the French Alps.
Partly due to guarenteed water, but also because the rivers are harder.

A level 5 proficiency has to be done on a level 4 river. which the Annamoe, even in huge water, is not, maybe jacksons, but that is only 1 rapid!


Your right there clarky, If I got enough people interested in running a L5 training, It would have to wait until the dargle was up, it wouldn't be run on the annamoe,

as for a general white-water skills/safety course, i think annamoe in big water would be just about sufficient

But ultimately, I suppose it would depend on what the instructor running whatever course it may be wanted to run it on
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Monkey Loving Bob on January 28, 2009, 21:44:31
Wow Rog, this is a seriously impressive development! If any such course were to go ahead I'd be very interested in attending. One thing I would suggest - don't limit yourself, find a willing and apporpriate instructor (and a back up), then let them take care of the details such as date and location - they're the ones with the experience of running similar courses.

Any help I can give you is there man.

Conor.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Brendino on January 28, 2009, 22:16:35
I'd be interested in a course like this provided I'm available for the weekend. I need to brush up on everything.  ::)
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: I'm From You on January 29, 2009, 10:09:48
Yeah I might be up for this too if it's going. Good work Roger.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: kjt on January 29, 2009, 11:28:23
I'd definitely be interested in this, I just have to do the level 4 assessment.
+1
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: JODY on January 30, 2009, 16:03:44
For anyone wanting to do the L4 assesment, there's one coming up in a few weeks.
Feb 15th to be exact

http://www.canoe.ie/TrainingCourses/TrainingAssessmentCalendar/tabid/1254/ModuleID/2977/ItemID/255/mctl/SimpleEventDetails/language/en-IE/Default.aspx?selecteddate=15/02/2009 (http://www.canoe.ie/TrainingCourses/TrainingAssessmentCalendar/tabid/1254/ModuleID/2977/ItemID/255/mctl/SimpleEventDetails/language/en-IE/Default.aspx?selecteddate=15/02/2009)
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Sick Boy on February 01, 2009, 15:10:02
well then roger and i makes 4.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on February 01, 2009, 21:55:44
Ok guys, looks like I have the numbers and Interest in both of the stated courses.

I'm thinking at the moment of Trying to organise L5 training for the weekend before varsities, i.e. saturday the 14th and sunday the 15th of Feb, and running the Advanced WW course for the weekend after varsities, saturday the 28th of Feb and sunday the 1st of March.

The way I see it, two groups could be arranged.

Level 5 Training : Sarah Hayden, Mark Ahern, John Flannagin, Conor Croke, Brendino.
5 Is too many for the ratios but i'll figure something out.

Advanced WW safety and rescue course: Mathew Enright, Louise Clark, Jody and Kyle.

Also to consider are the following issues:

- If i've put someone in a group and they'd prefer to be in the other group just give me a shout and i'll sort something out.
- Accomodation, would people like accomodation to be booked for the saturday night somewhere in wicklow for this course?

If anyone has any other issues that i'm not thinking of please let me know.

If the L5 dates suit everybody i will begin to make calls to instructors in the next few days so could people please let me know, cheers guys.

Roger
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: JODY on February 01, 2009, 22:34:35
Hey Rog,
The weekend after varsities doesnt really suit me, any chance of another weekend? (the weekend before varsities is out 2 though, got the final day of my Rec 3  :-\)

What would the 2 seperate courses cover? I know you mightnt have figured this out yet but it would be good to know in advance  :)

Thank you  :-*
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: kjt on February 02, 2009, 01:25:29
Thanks for organising Rodge!
I can't do the 28th but I could do the Sunday, also if it was put back a week, I can't do the 7/8th weekend either. It might be best for you to take my place on one of these weekends :)
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Sara on February 02, 2009, 09:20:37
Sounds good Rog, I'd be up for staying in wicklow, glendalough hostel or something like that.

Sara
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Brendino on February 03, 2009, 13:10:26
Valentines Weekend......... Are you nuts???????  ;D I'll have to pull some major strings on that one and get back to you (I'm only just back from a Snow trip to Austria). Put me down as tentative.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: TomB on February 04, 2009, 08:26:49
Hey Bren,

Are the little ones not latch key kids yet? if not, why not?

I've forgotten what you look like . . . .

Tom
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: bambi on February 04, 2009, 11:10:47
Hey Roger,

I'd be keen to do one of those courses too if it's not too late.

I really need to spend more of my workday dossing on the board  so I don't keep missing stuff ;)
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Monkey Loving Bob on February 04, 2009, 11:39:33
You really do...
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Brendino on February 04, 2009, 14:23:07
Hey Bren,

Are the little ones not latch key kids yet? if not, why not?

I've forgotten what you look like . . . .

Tom

Just look at my Avatar would you.........

And I don't know what a "latch key kid" is. Must be a Mullingar thing or else a cartoon that Zoe would like. The Latch Key Kids meet Peppa Pig. It's a winner.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: TomB on February 04, 2009, 16:27:33
Bren,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latchkey_kid

Tom
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on February 04, 2009, 17:50:10
Ok Guys, just finished exchanging a few mails with Ciaran Maguire.

What? We've organised a weekend for a training course geared towards the likes of what you need to work on to be on the road to ICU L5 standard.

When? The prelimanery weekend for this will be the last day in February, 1st day in March, i.e saturday the 28th of Feb and Sun 1st of March.

Where? The weekend will be based in Kerry, with probably the glens on day 1 and the flesk on day 2. Staying the saturday night in a hostel probably.

Who? Instructor: Ciaran Maguire, Group: So far its Mark Ahern, Conor Croke, Brendino, and Sara Hayden.

How Much? Depending on how much the hostel costs, i'd say €50 each, may be more may be less.

Ciaran's already put a prelimenary program together, but is keen to work on whatever you guys feel you would benefit most from, so I suggest we meet up for a chat sometime and put together some suggestions so that you guys get the best value from the weekend.

Any other questions, post up here or pm me and i'll get back to you. Thanks for everyones enthusiasm and help for this, and thanks to Dave B.

As for the advanced white-water skills/rescue I will keep people updated as to the progress of this.

Cheers, Roger .
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Siobhan UL on February 04, 2009, 20:45:10
If you need a Limerick based couch gimme a shout 086-8449339
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Sara on February 05, 2009, 10:14:51
Oh My God! SO excited!!! and scared, but mainly excited!!! ohhhhhhhh!!!! Thanks so much for putting this together Rog! Best training officer EVER!

will there be another one for Caoimhe???

Sara
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: slapper on February 05, 2009, 10:21:35
Quote
geared towards the likes of what you need to work on to be on the road to ICU L5 standard.

Is it just a weekend of training geared towards the L5 training or is it actually an official L5 training weekend? Why not run it as an L5 training weekend?
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Monkey Loving Bob on February 05, 2009, 11:34:10
€50 for a L5 Training Course, I'd jump on it at that price! Also Kudos Roger, I'm well impressed with this.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on February 05, 2009, 11:52:48
Quote
geared towards the likes of what you need to work on to be on the road to ICU L5 standard.

Is it just a weekend of training geared towards the L5 training or is it actually an official L5 training weekend? Why not run it as an L5 training weekend?

Apparently you need to apply to the ICU to run an official L5 training, we might still do that, the training program itself is still in early days.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Brendino on February 06, 2009, 21:53:06
Sorry guys, but I won't be able to make that weekend. Apologies if this scuppers plans for people, but I can't do anything about it.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Mark on February 08, 2009, 00:13:05
Sweet Roger, nice job!

Gratias!
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: eoinor on February 08, 2009, 23:05:44
Hey,
I'd love to do this if there is another one being organized.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on February 23, 2009, 11:50:58
Hey Eoinar, i'll look in to getting numbers for a second L5 training. I'll let you know within the week about it.

As for Mark Ahern, Caoimhe Murray, Conor Croke, and Sara Hayden, it's looking dodgy that we'll get water levels for this weekend, but sure its early in the week yet. I'll send an e-mail to Kieran Maguire tomorrow and ask him what he thinks.

Assuming its going ahead would you guys be available for a chat sometime during the week to go over what you want to cover, even a 4 way msn or gmail chat or something like that.

Cheers, Roger.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Sara on February 23, 2009, 12:02:46
Fingers crossed for water this weekend, why don't Conor and Mark call over to 291 nutgrove ave, we can have natchos and discuss what we want to cover, say wed evening 8pm. Rog you're more than welcome to call over to seen as you're our go to guy for this.
Sara
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on February 25, 2009, 08:51:47
Hey Sara, thanks for the offer, however it appears there ain't gonna be any rain for this weekend. Forecast shows nothing at all.

I've just sent a mail to Ciaran so I assume we'll have to postpone the weekend, i'll let you all know when he gets back to me.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Sara on February 25, 2009, 13:23:41
Do lets know when its being re-scheduled to, we're still going ahead with tonight though  if you're free, Caoimhe is making natchos. We may aswell still work on our game plan.

Sara
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on February 26, 2009, 18:10:06
Hey guys, still no word back from ciaran, just mailed him again there, so will let you all know as soon as i know,

cheers, Roger.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on March 02, 2009, 10:07:48
Hey guys... Check it out, we may well be on for this weekend...

http://www.ireland.com/goingout/weathermaxiview.ie?hid=eNorKEotTs0rSSzJzM9zLqko0StOzUlNhvPKUxNLMlKLgmGCesUQpbbeqUVFlWoFJOouSk0HafYsSs1JzEsBAC6IMYM.
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Sara on March 02, 2009, 10:32:20
yup!  ;D fingers crossed!

Sara
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Monkey Loving Bob on March 02, 2009, 11:58:24
ah, incidentally - I'm kinda hoping it doesn't happen this weekend what with Lisa's birthday and all... I'll see what I can organise.

Also dates I'd rather there was no water would also include 4th April (Cirques de Soleil, dontcha know)
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: Monkey Loving Bob on March 04, 2009, 11:07:30
Rog can you double check Kipper's availability today, he's down in Kerry and the ICU are looking to organise formal L5 training down there this weekend he might be booked already.

Anyway if this does go ahead this weekend I'm afraid I'm out, Eoinor has said he'll swap places (only for this weekend, because I want my place back!)

I tried phoning you but said I'd pop it up here as well.

Conor
Title: Re: Advanced White-Water skills and safety/Level 5 Training.
Post by: rog on March 04, 2009, 11:52:41
Grand, I told him I'd ring him tonight, and he did say he'd look to do it this weekend if water levels held. But sure  we'll see.