UCD Canoe Club
General => Kayaking => Topic started by: Dave B on May 14, 2007, 17:38:42
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the new dagger 'us agent' will be unveiled in the greatoutdoors this saturday at 3pm...check it out.. it looks really sweet, and the pictures from the worlds show this boat going HUGE!! http://holeriders.com/ottawaworlds/pages/20070501-0142.htm (http://holeriders.com/ottawaworlds/pages/20070501-0142.htm)
http://www.dagger.com/product.asp?BoatType=WWKayak&BoatID=335 (http://www.dagger.com/product.asp?BoatType=WWKayak&BoatID=335)
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Did it win? Shit no....
Wait it at least came in the top 3.....right?
No, didnt come ine the top 3 :(
In fact the entire top 3 was made up of the jackson star. How dissapointing for you dave :(.
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I'd expect nothing less from you mark... and so to give you the rant I'm sure you want here ya go... winning a competition isn't down to the boat your paddling, its down to he paddlers paddling them, and we all know E.J would have won no matter what boat he was in ... and if you still won't accept that.. the dagger paddlers have only bein paddling the agent for a couple of months so have had to get used to the 'innovative' new double rail among many other aspects of paddling a new boat, E.J and the other Jackson paddlers have been paddling that boat for well over a year now and would be well used to it.... in my post I wasn't saying it's the best boat out there because there's no such thing, different boats suit different people so it's all a matter of opinion and preference, I was simply pointing out the fact that the boat was throwing some huge air in the worlds. rant out... Dave
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Mark,
What Dave is saying is that Jackson Kayaks is better at getting their product to the market in a timely manner, showing their superior marketing awareness to debut their new playboat in good time ahead of the biggest playboating bragging match of the year. That's why EJ blew away the competition to clinch all three top spots.
Jim.
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i thought what he was saying is that people who paddle dagger kayaks just are not as good as those who paddle jackson kayaks... ;)
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pardon my ignorance but all those photos seem to be of jackson kayak or luquid logic......which ones the agent or did they just not take any photos of it?
i suppose you only take photos of the boats that are worth taking photos of....interesting that.
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Yeah, the agent looks shit. I bet I could design a much better boat.
One with triple rails instead of double and rounded sockets and loads of those little fins on the bottom!!!
Wanna help me mark?
What should we call it and will we release it in Green?
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The clusterfuck! I can already see the diagram on the back.
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why stop at triple rails? Surely more is better?
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does anyone know if it won "boat of the year 07'"
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why stop at triple rails? Surely more is better?
get the guys at Gillette to help you design it then. they seem to be good at just increasing the number of blades and calling it a new razor...
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it's very foolish to assume that pictures are taken purely because of the boat,again it's down to what people were doing, what shots made good photo's for that photographer and he felt were worth putting on his site, and what people that exact photograher saw,
sure they could have rushed the production of the agent to get it out long before the competition but they made sure they got everything exactly as they wanted.. In fairness the star has been around for three years and this 'new version' is a very subtle modification- hardly a new boat,
also consider that E.J and Jackson kayaks focus most of their work in the area of freestyle, therefore employing the top rodeo competition paddlers in the world, the ones who are likely to win competitions, how many top creekers/river runners do they have? or even how many top big air freestyle paddlers do they have? the likes of Pat Camblin,Anthony Yap, Rush Sturges, or Marlowe Long,these are the guys pushing the limits of the sport, E.J focuses on the competitive atheletes, if a company focuses on one aspect of the sport as they do they are going to get results
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those head buffs down at dagger sure know how to use copy n' paste....
(http://playak.com/images/boats/dagger/agent-side.jpg)
(http://playak.com/images/boats/wavesport/project-52-side.jpg)
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Ouch Richie,
So what Dave is saying is that if Dagger had copy-and-pasted the Jackson boat instead of the Wavesport one, they would have won?
Jim.
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i think thats what hes getting at!!!
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jim you should get onto those lads they might give you some tips for your next web site update.
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Well don ritchie, I tried to do the same with 2 pictures but didn't have the technical know how. Hows the studing going simon?
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I'd like to announce the new bout that I've made aswell: Have a look.
P.S. I'm looking for paddlers to sponsor. Candidates must be willing to swear by my products regardless of whether or not they are any good.
(http://www.ucdcanoeclub.com/ahernkayak.jpg)
A lot of time and money was put into researching this boat, and I think we at Ahern Kayak have really put something special together. Due to its clear superiority over ther other manufacturers designs, we hae decided to price it at €1500.
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wow weee, what the, that thing is amazing. it is the newest and most expensive boat not on the market. it is clearly far superior to anything we have seen for a long time.ill take 7 one in every colour of the rainbow.
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Aw Mark that's a masterpiece.
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Ah guys, lets be serious for one minute, all new boats are simply versions of other boats that came before them- thats how they evlove,the project is just a smaller fatter ZG-which was modelled on the Dagger G-force and similar boats, sure the agent looks similar to the project from the side but if you had seen the prototype or the newly released agent you'd realise they look nothing alike..and the agent is clearly far superior ;D
And Mark I'd be willing to paddle your boats and tell people they're really good even if they're not, clearly you've designed the best boat on the market, I mean it looks identical to the project but surely that's just how the boat looks from the picture...?
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Have you got sponsorships going mark? I'll rebrand my boat for you and tell everyone how much better than anything else it is...
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?????
the dagger paddlers have only bein paddling the agent for a couple of months so have had to get used to the 'innovative' new double rail among many other aspects of paddling a n
innovative new double rails? my s6 has double rails and that designs 6 yrs old.
also consider that E.J and Jackson kayaks focus most of their work in the area of freestyle,
if i'm buying an all out freestyle boat, i'm buying one thats designed by an all out freestyle designer. but wait! EJ also does whitewater, and what about clay wright? he'd hardly be paddling the hardcore stuff that he does in a shit boat. an i'd be pretty sure that he had input into the design.
i suspect that this comes down to a sponsorship deal!
and anyway. i'm a pyranha man! :P